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"8664" Study response

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Read our Letter to Secretary Joe Prather in response to the "8664" study.

Two important points:

  1. A one-bridge solution performs as well as the ORBP. According to their own study, 8664's "System-wide Performance" was 99% as good as the $4.1 Billion ORBP. See "System Wide Measures" on page 8 of the KYTC 8664 study.

  2. KYTC plans to widen I-71 and I-64 through Cherokee Park. In their "8664" study, the Tranportation Cabinet assumes that these interstates get wider, but they flatly deny that they plan to widen them. They can't have it both ways. They can't assume they'll be wider when modeling, and deny they plan to widen them. Contact your state representative today.

Nine pro-8664 web-only letters and counting


Click the link below to read letters that the Courier decided not to print.

Read the CJ's editorial, or not

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Here's a link to the enlightening 8664 Wonderland editorial.

Submit a Letter to the CJ or share your comments here by clicking the "Comment" link above.

Courier-Journal's misleading coverage


Today's article Study critical of 8664 proposal lacks a lot of things. Journalistic integrity among them. The study released yesterday by KYTC is unquestionably flawed. KYTC widened I-64 and I-71 into downtown. That's not in our plan. KYTC denies it's even in their plan. 

Only the very last paragraph of the article speaks to this:

"But there are no plans to widen that stretch of interstate, according to Kentucky Transportation Cabinet chief of staff Mike Hancock. "That is not back on the table," he said."

They can't have it both ways. They can't say it's not going to happen, but then include it in the 8664 study. Check that. They can have it both ways in the Courier if Marcus Green covers it.

KYTC Fails to Study 8664


A $60,000 PR hit job by KYTC

Today we received a copy of what is supposed to be a study of the 8664 alternative by KYTC's consultant. If they had wanted to make a good faith attempt of assessing our plan, they would have contacted us to clarify the specifics of our alternative and/or accepted our offer to provide a transportation engineer to oversee the study.

Instead they misrepresented our alternative by asserting:

  • I-64 will be widened to six lanes through Cherokee Park
    (second to last bullet point on page 2)
  • I-71 would also be widened to six lanes
  • I-64 and I-71 terminate at Clay Street
  • Waterfront Boulevard would divide the Great Lawn
  • we don't address Kennedy Bridge rehabilitation

All of the above are incorrect, and therefore KYTC's analysis is NOT a 8664 Study. In fact, if you wanted the 8664 alternative to fail, you would do exactly what they have attempted to do -- force more interstate and limited access traffic into Spaghetti Junction and change where the I-64 ramp enters downtown.

"Abramson Interchange" speaks for itself

Our friends at do a bang up job of describing in detail what Spaghetti Junction 2.0 (aka "Abramson Interchange") will do to downtown. Like most of their site, Standing Under the Highway, Regretting is informative and insightful.

8664 Forum Recap - Seattle Success Story

Thanks to everyone who turned out for the 2nd Annual 8664 Forum. Based on your feedback, it sounds like it was both informative and inspiring. It's great to hear about another city that overcame initial opposition to their waterfront reclamation project.

Here's a recap of Cary Moon's presentation from Seattle' People's Waterfront Coalition:

Cities, Waterfronts and Sustainable Transportation 

Question #1: Does I-64 need to be a highway?

  • How many are local trips?
  • Urban *demand* is elastic; trips are flexible
  • There is excess capacity on existing street grid

Question #2: What is best use of waterfront?

Question #3: Is there a smarter way to provide access?

  • DOT forecasts can be wildly inaccurate
  • Driving down across the country
  • Cities are again the centers of future economic growth
  • Does Louisville dream to be a convenient bypass?  

A Tolling Authority would be "F#%$ing gold"


We'd like to spend our time talking about the benefits of a vibrant, sustainable downtown. But the entrenched political and media interests are working against us, so we need to speak out.

When it comes to bridges, a small group of citizens and elected leaders will do anything to stop an East End Bridge. The politicians are being dishonest with the people who elected them.

City Center and the Downtown Arena are two examples of how decisions get made without the input of tax-paying citizens like you. GLI and other groups like DDC and the Bridges Coalition are used to support an agenda without your input or the input of the Metro Council. It's a practice that needs to be stopped if we want true public discourse on important city issues like bridges.

John David Dyche speaks out

Yesterday's op-ed by John David Dyche shines a bright light on some questionable city practices. How can the Downtown Development Corporation ("DDC"), who is responsible for "planning for the long-term economic health and vitality of downtown," honestly support a 23 lane wide Spaghetti Junction?

Furthermore, why is the current Chairman of DDC a past President of River Fields. And why would he also be on the Build the Bridges Coalition, when he clearly doesn't support building the East End Bridge? Does anyone on the Coalition actually support the most needed, least expensive bridge?

What is going on in River City?

Read Dyche's: Abramson's lordly ways (We've got to give the C-J a little "cred" for actually running this piece. Out of character, but a good thing nonetheless.)

2nd Annual 8664 Forum


Join us for this FREE event:

8664 Forum
Muhammad Ali Center, 144 North 6th Street
Wednesday, December 10th, 2008
5:30 Reception
6 - 8 pm Presentation and Q&A

Featured speakers include:

Cary Moon, Director
People's Waterfront Coalition
Seattle, Washington
John Norquist, President
Former Mayor of Milwaukee, WI


We'd like to recognize our growing list of FORUM SPONSORS:

Let's spend the $411 million we already have

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Despite claims by some that the ORBP has no funding, the project has received a total of $411 Million from Frankfort in the four years leading up through 2010. That means we already have nearly half the funds to complete the East End Bridge  ($940 Million).

This begs the question "Where's the money?" There is no construction in progress. There are no reports of right-of-way purchases. What are they doing with all that money?

Another development that could expedite the East End Bridge is President-elect Obama's massive stimulus package. Obama said, "We'll put people back to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges..." It is likely to be the biggest infusion of cash into infrastructure projects since Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930s.

Specifically the new administration is targeting projects that can get underway quickly. The East End Bridge is just such a project. It already has Federal approval, it would employ thousands of people and it's relatively affordable (as compared to the misguided 23 lane Spaghetti Junction).

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